[WT-support] microHam micro2R with WT
Luc Favre
luc-favre at orange.fr
Thu May 13 15:05:17 CEST 2010
My 2 pence comment :
My MK2R have the same behaviour, very often, but sometime not. I don't know
what I did the days it hasn't !
I will follow this thread with high attention !
73
Luc/F6HJO/HB9ABB
----- Original Message -----
From: <sm5ajv at qrq.se>
To: <support at win-test.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [WT-support] microHam micro2R with WT
>
> I've tested as suggested, still same delay.
>
> I think there is two "evidence" that maybe WinTest is doing
> something wrong.
>
> 1. You said this is common problem with MK2R/MK2R+ AND WinTest.
> 2. It looks like it is working OK with N1MM.
> 3. WinTest is dropping the PTT-line when sending canned messages.
>
> I will post my logging to microHam as well to see what they
> have to say.
>
> 73
> Ingo SM5AJV / SE5E
>
>
>> Thanks for posting the communications log. It's possible the new micro2R
>> is
>> not completely compatible the the MK2R/MK2R+, and changes are required in
>> Win-Test, but I would start by asking microHAM support for assistance.
>>
>> Did you try experimenting with the HANDSHAKE settings on the microHAM
>> control port? Try Always OFF, Always ON, or Handshake to see if that
>> makes
>> any difference.
>>
>> If that doesn't work, try the same with the WinKey port. The software
>> seems
>> to be waiting for something, hence the delays.
>>
>> 73,
>> Bob, N6TV
>>
>> On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 6:53 AM, <sm5ajv at qrq.se> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for your advices.
>>>
>>> FIRST
>>> N6TV wrote:
>>> > 1-2 second delays are a common problem when using Win-Test with the
>>> microHAM
>>> > control protocol, even with the older MK2R+
>>>
>>> If this is a known issue, I would really like it to be solved.
>>> Having this delay makes SO2R almost useless. I didn't see any bug report
>>> of
>>> this. So please SW-guys. Look into this!
>>>
>>> MY FINDINGS
>>> I didn't get it working properly and I still have a delay of 1 seconds
>>> before the CW goes out. It looks like the CW part is going out when
>>> the RX focus is changing. The RX Focus is changing 1 seconds
>>> after TX focus is changed. I don't see any reason of this delay.
>>> See the dumps below.
>>>
>>>
>>> micro2R:
>>> 0014128234: H-TX: FT1 (set TX focus to R1)
>>> 0014129312: H-TX: FR1 (set RX focus to R1) <-- 1.078 ms late
>>> 0014129312: H-TX: FR2 (set RX focus to R2)
>>> 0014131468: H-TX: FR1 (set RX focus to R1)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> WinKey:
>>> 0014129312: H-TX: 53 S <-- CW STARTS at the same time as FR1 is
>>> sent,
>>> see above
>>> 0014129328: H-RX: C4 [status: WAIT=0, KEYDOWN=0, BUSY=1,
>>> BREAKIN=0,
>>> XOFF=0]
>>> 0014129546: H-RX: 53 S
>>> 0014129546: H-TX: 45 E <-- Messge is sent from WT character by
>>> character
>>> 0014129687: H-RX: 45 E
>>> 0014129687: H-TX: 35 5
>>> 0014130109: H-RX: 35 5
>>> 0014130109: H-TX: 45 E
>>> 0014130250: H-RX: 45 E
>>> 0014130250: H-TX: 20
>>> 0014130453: H-RX: 20
>>> 0014130453: H-TX: 54 T
>>> 0014130468: H-RX: C0 [status: WAIT=0, KEYDOWN=0, BUSY=0,
>>> BREAKIN=0,
>>> XOFF=0]
>>> 0014130484: H-RX: C4 [status: WAIT=0, KEYDOWN=0, BUSY=1,
>>> BREAKIN=0,
>>> XOFF=0]
>>> 0014130625: H-RX: 54 T
>>> 0014130640: H-TX: 45 E
>>> 0014130765: H-RX: 45 E
>>> 0014130765: H-TX: 53 S
>>> 0014131046: H-RX: 53 S
>>> 0014131046: H-TX: 54 T
>>> 0014131250: H-RX: 54 T
>>> 0014131250: H-TX: 20
>>> 0014131468: H-RX: 20
>>> 0014131484: H-TX: (postponed) 1E [Cancel Buffered Speed Change]
>>> 0014131484: H-RX: C0 [status: WAIT=0, KEYDOWN=0, BUSY=0,
>>> BREAKIN=0,
>>> XOFF=0]
>>> 0014131500: H-TX: postponed data sent
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> COMPARISION WITH N1MM
>>> I have compared this behaviour with N1MM. In N1MM there is no delay
>>> before the CW gose out. So I think there is something wrong with WT.
>>>
>>> PTT HANDLING WITH WINKEY
>>> Another difference, which I have pointed out earlier when dealing
>>> with a WinKey USB, is that WinTest sends character by character
>>> to the WinKey chip. You can see this in the WK dump below.
>>> N1MM sends a chunk of characters. This may be related to the problem
>>> that the PTT-line drops between words if you don't put in a very long
>>> PTT Tail. I think it's better to make the WK:
>>>
>>> [PTT ON], [send all characters in the message] [PTT OFF]
>>>
>>> PTT delay should only be applied to the PTT ON in the beginning and
>>> PTT TAIL should only be applied to the PTT OFF at the end of the
>>> transmission. This is for "canned" messages.
>>> Normally you want to have PTT DELAY set to get all relays
>>> change over before you start sending. The PTT TAIL DELAY
>>> should be rather small for canned messages. Or only used when
>>> you use the PADDLE
>>>
>>>
>>> 73
>>> Ingo SM5AJV / SE5E
>>>
>>>
>>> > 1-2 second delays are a common problem when using Win-Test with the
>>> microHAM
>>> > control protocol, even with the older MK2R+.
>>> >
>>> > Make sure you don't have PTT lead/tail delays set to the default
>>> > values.
>>> > Use the *minimum* numbers (e.g. 0.0 if possible). You have to set
>>> > this
>>> in
>>> > both the Router program and in the Win-Test Winkey Configuration
>>> > screen
>>> > (shortcut: WKSETUP [Enter]).
>>> >
>>> > Sometimes powering everything off and on in just the right sequence
>>> > will
>>> > correct the problem, e.g.:
>>> >
>>> > 1. Power on computer
>>> > 2. Wait for Router program to start (yellow X)
>>> > 3. Power on microHAM box
>>> > 4. Wait for Router to detect microHAM (Green check mark)
>>> > 5. Turn on radios
>>> > 6. Wait for microHAM Ports tab to display rig freq.
>>> > 7. Start Win-Test
>>> > 8. Issue two or three messages to see if thing speed up (first few
>>> > messages may be delayed)
>>> >
>>> > If that doesn't help, verify that you are using the correct COM port
>>> > settings in Win-Test Interface Configuration, e.g.:
>>> >
>>> > - microHAM control port: 38400,N,8,1
>>> > - WinKey port: 1200,N,8,2 Handshake/Handshake
>>> > - Elecraft port: 4800,N,8,1 Always OFF/Always OFF
>>> > - Yaesu port: 4800,N,8,2 Always OFF/Always OFF
>>> >
>>> > For radios, press the "Use xxx defaults" button on the Win-Test COM
>>> > port
>>> > setup screen. Make sure both Win-Test and the microHAM box are
>>> > talking
>>> to
>>> > the rig with the same speed settings.
>>> >
>>> > 73,
>>> > Bob, N6TV
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 1:58 AM, <sm5ajv at qrq.se> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> I am trying to get the new microHam micro2R (SO2R) box to work with
>>> >> WT
>>> >> and have run into some problems.
>>> >>
>>> >> When starting CQ by pushing F1 in WT it takes about 1 second
>>> >> before the actual CW output is started. Has anyone any hint
>>> >> on how to configure this new device with WT. I am using
>>> >> the MK2R setup for the Control Port.
>>> >>
>>> >> Pushing the test command for F1 on the router starts CW immediately.
>>> >>
>>> >> Any advices are most welcome!
>>> >>
>>> >> 73
>>> >> Ingo SM5AJV / SE5E
>>> >>
>>> >>
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