[WT-support] WPX S/N bug

Sun Apr 5 15:45:05 CEST 2009

Fabio,

Since you are talking P33W, we are using this technology since
WRTC-2006 when MAIN radio only was appointed as a transmitter, so 2nd
operator could use VFO-B of this MAIN radio to make QSOs. Instead of
borthering MAIN operator at the MAIN radio we created a controller box
which gave Second radio opportunity to control VFO-B of MAIN radio and
vise versa. So, operator 1 is using VFO-A of Main radio for TX and
VFO-B of Second radio for RX and operator 2 is using VFO-B of Main
radio for TX and VFO-A of Second radio for RX. And of course, it's
only one signal of this transmitter at any given time.

And no problems with Win-test at all. All number are given and logged
in sequence accoarding to QSO time and no holes in sequence.

Above mentioned is clearly following WPX rules.

At the same I don't mind if rules will have detailed explanation of
can be done and can not be done.

Fabio, I also believe your 2 cent will be very usefull if you stick to
the rules by yourself. I am talking about CQWWSSB2008 D4C operation
when your Multiplier station was calling CQ on 160 and picking up only
mults from the crowd of callers.

73s, Harry RA3AUU

IH> Even recent WPX had been a enter with declared 2 CQ signals on same band, i
IH> think that this is prohibits due the definition of signals or transmitter.
IH> The rule clear define Transmitter no Signals, so in my opinion one 
IH> trasmitter means a only one signal regardless the same time. Even the common
IH> interpretation is not a rule this need to be cleared from the WPX commitee.
IH> M2 or MM talks about transmitters , so following the same rules if this is
IH> valid for M2 / MM  why  use a "common interpretation" for MS ? In other
IH> world the Transmitter must send the serial numbers without holes in the
IH> sequence.

IH> my 2 cents

IH> 73 de I4UFH

IH> ----- Original Message ----- 
IH> From: "Tõnno Vähk" <Tonno.Vahk at gildbankers.com>
IH> To: <support at win-test.com>
IH> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 5:29 PM
IH> Subject: Re: [WT-support] WPX S/N bug

>> What is clear about it?:)
>>
>> The whole issue that has been around for a while is if one transmitter 
>> means "One signal in the air at a time". And that has been the common 
>> interpretation I understand so far as naturally all big M/S and M/2 
>> stations use more than 2 stations. Otherwise M/2 clearly talks about two 
>> transmitters.
>>
>> So you can have 10 stations ready to transmit scanning one band if you 
>> want, just make sure you have one signal in the air at a time. Same logic 
>> for M/M.
>>
>> 73
>> Tonno
>> ES5TV
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: support-bounces at win-test.com [mailto:support-bounces at win-test.com] 
>> On Behalf Of Peter Bowyer
>> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 6:23 PM
>> To: support at win-test.com
>> Subject: Re: [WT-support] WPX S/N bug
>>
>> http://www.cqwpx.com/rules.htm
>>
>> "(a) Single-Transmitter (MULTI-ONE): Only one transmitter and one band
>> permitted during a 10-minute period. Exception: One-and only one-other
>> band may be used during a 10-minute period if-and only if-the station
>> worked is a new multiplier"
>>
>> Seems pretty clear.
>>
>> Peter G4MJS
>>
>> On 03/04/2009, Tom W8JI <w8ji at w8ji.com> wrote:
>>> Is there a link to that Bob? The rules I read and the FAQ
>>> does not appear to prohibit that.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Bob Henderson" <bob.5b4agn at gmail.com>
>>> To: <support at win-test.com>; "Tom W8JI" <w8ji at w8ji.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 11:00 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [WT-support] WPX S/N bug
>>>
>>>
>>> > Tom
>>> >
>>> > Surely sub-section V,D,a of the 2009 WPX rules
>>> > specifically prohibits two
>>> > transmitters on the same band ?
>>> >
>>> > Am I missing something?
>>> >
>>> > Bob, 5B4AGN
>>> >
>>> > 2009/4/3 Tom W8JI <w8ji at w8ji.com>
>>> >
>>> >> Wintest has a bug in the serial numbers given during the
>>> >> WPX.
>>> >>
>>> >> When running M1 people are allowed to have two
>>> >> transmitters
>>> >> on the same band. When that is done, if both stations are
>>> >> working people at the same time period, the SN is not
>>> >> reserved or held  until the QSO is logged. This can and
>>> >> does
>>> >> result in a bad SN for one or both stations.
>>> >>
>>> >> The FAQ for WPX states:
>>> >>
>>> >> Our logging software caused us to give out duplicate
>>> >> serial
>>> >> numbers or to give numbers out of sequence. Is this a
>>> >> problem?
>>> >>
>>> >>  No, but only if your log shows the exchange that you
>>> >> actually sent. Each QSO line of the Cabrillo log contains
>>> >> the sent and received information for that QSO.  As long
>>> >> as
>>> >> that line shows what you actually sent to the other
>>> >> station,
>>> >> the log checking software will score it correctly.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> So if the number was reserved and not used it would not
>>> >> be a
>>> >> problem, or if the SAME number was sent it would not be a
>>> >> problem. What is a problem is the software changing the
>>> >> number after the exchange was sent when the contact is
>>> >> logged.
>>> >>
>>> >> N1MM holds the SN once a call is partially entered. This
>>> >> is
>>> >> the correct way to do WPX when two radios happen to be on
>>> >> the same band. Since the SN is wrong in M1, it is
>>> >> probably
>>> >> wrong in any class where multiple stations can be on the
>>> >> same band.
>>> >>
>>> >> 73 Tom
>>> >>
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>>
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