[WT-support] Grabbing RTTY calls with Insert key

Øyvind Ekhall djekhall at gmail.com
Fri Nov 11 20:52:23 CET 2011 

Yes , the grab function does not work in advanced SO2R mode, but it does if
you select plain SO2R or non SO2R modes

Of course I can go through the details in my setup with you Bob but first i
will try to brush up your memory :-)

I did some research before my first posting and found this on the reflector
from 2009 (see below)
There seems to be nothing on this issue later and I am also surprised that
nobody has opened a bug report on this.
My guess is that most SO2R RTTY operators is using Writelog or other
software than Win-test

After the arrival of the MK2R+ we are now converting from Writelog to
Win-test at LN8W and I was hoping to use it also on RTTY so we could
concentrate on one Contest logger for all modes.

I am enjoying Win-test a lot and hopefully I can get it going as I would
like also on RTTY.

73
Olaf



*Clive Whelan* clive.whelan at btinternet.com
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*Mon Sep 7 18:58:21 CEST 2009

*

Bob

This is about as simple as I can make it I think.

Scenario:

ESM OFF

RUN MODE

Callsign highlighted in RTTY window

Press <Insert> key

Contents of INSERT message ( RUN) are sent. ( message contains $LOGGEDCALL)

In S&P mode, the result is the same except the S&P INSERT message is sent.

This is expected behaviour except that the RTTY configuration specifies
that the highlighted callsign should be grabbed by this procedure. The
option of a single mouse click to grab the callsign does however work.

Hopefully somebody can figure out what is happening.


73


Clive
GW3NJW




*Laurent HAAS - F6FVY* f6fvy at free.fr
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*Mon Sep 7 19:06:09 CEST 2009

*

It is not designed to work in Advanced SO2R. That may be the cause.

73

Laurent



FYI, I just implemented a wtKeyer:GrabHighlightedCallsign() script function.

You can assign it to a key. Insert can be used too if you do a return -1
at the end of the script so WT will ignore the message to send. And if
you want to make it compliant with all modes (and not RTTY only) you can
try something like :

if (wtQso:GetModeId() == 2) then -- RTTY
   wtKeyer:GrabHighlightedCallsign();
   return -1; -- WT will skip the key process
end;

Disclaimer : Not tested - Just invented ;-)

Check the last nightly build.

73

Larry - F6FVY



*Bob Wilson, N6TV* n6tv at arrl.net
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*Mon Sep 7 20:17:26 CEST 2009

*

Thanks for solving the mystery, but why is it designed to work like that?

When operating RTTY in SO2R Advanced mode, it seems like [Insert] should
work the same as it does when operating CW, except that WT grabs the
appropriate highlighted call instead of assuming that you are entering it
manually.

If the Main window is on Radio 1, [Insert] could grab the highlighted call
from RTTY Radio 1.  If the Main window is switched to Radio 2 via [*], WT
could grab the highlighted call from RTTY Radio 2.  If you press [CapsLock]
to highlight the secondary window, [Insert] could grab the highlighted call
from RTTY Radio being used by the secondary window.

The only difference between RTTY and CW that I can think of is that if the
callsign field is empty when you press [Insert], WT resends the call and
exchange from the previous line.  You can always get the same behavior by
moving up one line in the log and pressing [Insert], so that alone doesn't
seem like it would justify blocking the function entirely for RTTY Advanced
SO2R operators.

73,
Bob, N6TV


*Laurent HAAS - F6FVY*
    f6fvy at free.fr
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    *Mon Sep  7 21:04:28 CEST 2009

*I don't have the slightest idea on that ;-)  I just read the sources and
found it. I guess Olivier who wrote this had a good reason at that time,
but it's not mentioned.

>* When operating RTTY in SO2R Advanced mode, it seems like [Insert] should *>* work the same as it does when operating CW, except that WT grabs the *>* appropriate highlighted call instead of assuming that you are entering *>* it manually.*
I don't know if it is related, but MMTTY doesn't "echo" characters when
they're sent. It is somewhat different from the CW, and especially to
switch TX - that's not possible in the middle of a message, contrary to CW.

In the meantime, you can try the workaround I mentioned in my previous
post (or even adapt it to send the Insert message too). The
wtKeyer:GrabHighlightedCallsign() function works even in Advanced SO2R.

73

Larry - F6FVY






2011/11/11 Tõnno Vähk <tonno.vahk at gafm.ee>

>  I seem to remember the same thing from the last RTTY contest that the
> grab function did not work with Advanced SO2R. Don’t remember the details
> now though…
>
>
>
> *From:* support-bounces at f5mzn.org [mailto:support-bounces at f5mzn.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Bob Wilson, N6TV
> *Sent:* 11. november 2011. a. 12:16
> *To:* support at win-test.com
> *Subject:* Re: [WT-support] Grabbing RTTY calls with Insert key
>
>
>
> Are you saying that if you open the RTTYSETUP dialog, and mark "INSERT key
> grabs highlighted callsign from the RTTY Window," that it does not work?
>  But only if you are using Advanced SO2R mode?  Non-SO2R modes work OK?  If
> this was broken, I thought someone would have opened a bug report on this
> by now, but I can't find one (http://bugs.win-test.com).
>
>
>
> Which pre-programmed Advanced scenario did you selected?  What is the
> INSERT message programmed to contain?
>
>
>
> In other words, please explain in detail, step-by-step, all of the
> settings and options that you selected (ESM mode too?), and what doesn't
> work.
>
>
> 73,
>
> Bob, N6TV
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 12:19 AM, Øyvind Ekhall <djekhall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I have been looking for a script that grabs call and send the message with
> the Insert key on RTTY without success.
> The grab function does not not work in SO2R advanced mode, but i know
> Larry implemented a
>  "wtKeyer:GrabHighlightedCallsign()" script function a couple of years ago
>
> Does anyone use a script for this purpose or maybe someone with the
> knowledge can make one?
> I am planning on using Win-test for the first time on RTTY in the ARRL
> round up in January
>
> 73 de
> Olaf
> LB8IB
>
>
>
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