[WT-support] WPX S/N bug

[Tom W8JI]

This is my understanding too.

If the mult is on the same band as the run, they cannot 
TRANSMIT at the same time. They can share the same time 
window so long as RF does not come from both at one time.

If the mult is on a different band, they can transmit at the 
same time.

The bug is when on the same band, the serial numbers are not 
locked until the QSO is actually logged. This means if the 
mult has given 1001 and is waiting to log and the run hits 
enter and logs after giving a number, the number from the 
mult would be logged as 1002. This results in a busted QSO.

They both could legally give the same number. They both 
could skip a number, but they can never log a  number that 
disagrees with what was sent.

73 Tom



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tõnno Vähk" <Tonno.Vahk at gildbankers.com>
To: <support at win-test.com>
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: [WT-support] WPX S/N bug


> What is clear about it?:)
>
> The whole issue that has been around for a while is if one 
> transmitter means "One signal in the air at a time". And 
> that has been the common interpretation I understand so 
> far as naturally all big M/S and M/2 stations use more 
> than 2 stations. Otherwise M/2 clearly talks about two 
> transmitters.
>
> So you can have 10 stations ready to transmit scanning one 
> band if you want, just make sure you have one signal in 
> the air at a time. Same logic for M/M.
>
> 73
> Tonno
> ES5TV
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: support-bounces at win-test.com 
> [mailto:support-bounces at win-test.com] On Behalf Of Peter 
> Bowyer
> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 6:23 PM
> To: support at win-test.com
> Subject: Re: [WT-support] WPX S/N bug
>
> http://www.cqwpx.com/rules.htm
>
> "(a) Single-Transmitter (MULTI-ONE): Only one transmitter 
> and one band
> permitted during a 10-minute period. Exception: One-and 
> only one-other
> band may be used during a 10-minute period if-and only 
> if-the station
> worked is a new multiplier"
>
> Seems pretty clear.
>
> Peter G4MJS
>
> On 03/04/2009, Tom W8JI <w8ji at w8ji.com> wrote:
>> Is there a link to that Bob? The rules I read and the FAQ
>> does not appear to prohibit that.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bob Henderson" <bob.5b4agn at gmail.com>
>> To: <support at win-test.com>; "Tom W8JI" <w8ji at w8ji.com>
>> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 11:00 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WT-support] WPX S/N bug
>>
>>
>> > Tom
>> >
>> > Surely sub-section V,D,a of the 2009 WPX rules
>> > specifically prohibits two
>> > transmitters on the same band ?
>> >
>> > Am I missing something?
>> >
>> > Bob, 5B4AGN
>> >
>> > 2009/4/3 Tom W8JI <w8ji at w8ji.com>
>> >
>> >> Wintest has a bug in the serial numbers given during 
>> >> the
>> >> WPX.
>> >>
>> >> When running M1 people are allowed to have two
>> >> transmitters
>> >> on the same band. When that is done, if both stations 
>> >> are
>> >> working people at the same time period, the SN is not
>> >> reserved or held  until the QSO is logged. This can 
>> >> and
>> >> does
>> >> result in a bad SN for one or both stations.
>> >>
>> >> The FAQ for WPX states:
>> >>
>> >> Our logging software caused us to give out duplicate
>> >> serial
>> >> numbers or to give numbers out of sequence. Is this a
>> >> problem?
>> >>
>> >>  No, but only if your log shows the exchange that you
>> >> actually sent. Each QSO line of the Cabrillo log 
>> >> contains
>> >> the sent and received information for that QSO.  As 
>> >> long
>> >> as
>> >> that line shows what you actually sent to the other
>> >> station,
>> >> the log checking software will score it correctly.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> So if the number was reserved and not used it would 
>> >> not
>> >> be a
>> >> problem, or if the SAME number was sent it would not 
>> >> be a
>> >> problem. What is a problem is the software changing 
>> >> the
>> >> number after the exchange was sent when the contact is
>> >> logged.
>> >>
>> >> N1MM holds the SN once a call is partially entered. 
>> >> This
>> >> is
>> >> the correct way to do WPX when two radios happen to be 
>> >> on
>> >> the same band. Since the SN is wrong in M1, it is
>> >> probably
>> >> wrong in any class where multiple stations can be on 
>> >> the
>> >> same band.
>> >>
>> >> 73 Tom
>> >>
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