[WT-support] Problem with zone guessing in 3.16

[Tõnno Vähk]

right Tom, the zone thing is a bit strange and some take it very seriously to copy the correct one and don't log the QSO if they are not sure, some don't pay attention at all. After all, I guess that as the log is rescored with correct CTY.DAT and zones then even multiplier zone is not important, I am not sure though.

But 59 is as redundant as zone then and you can drop this too. I guess it is just what the rules of the contest say about what the exchange is. If the rules oblige you to certain exhange then this is what you have to give out. The same with e.g. EU Sprint where you have to give both calls in exchange. So in CQWW that is how it is - you have to give your exchange but you are not obliged to copy it as it is known in most cases and not even checked at all most likely. No reason to hide the head in the sand and pretend otherwise.

btw, I look forward to the times to able to work thousands of K's. I could even write down all their zones for that even:)) Had less than 500 on all bands together this weekend;(

73
es5tv

-----Original Message-----
From: support-bounces at win-test.com [mailto:support-bounces at win-test.com] On Behalf Of Tom Wylie
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 2:45 PM
To: support at win-test.com
Subject: Re: [WT-support] Problem with zone guessing in 3.16

Hi

Yes I fully understand all that I operated GM2T during the 
Contest and made 5,500 QSOs, so yes I too am a Contester.

So if the exchange is not checked and is deemed not 
important, why bother with it at all and just say   ES5TV 59 
     -  ES5TV also 59 QRZ GM2T ????

Save everybody a whole lot of trouble..

Do you loose points for not having the correct zone?   Yes 
if it a multiplier, but I think the question here is between 
Zone 4 and 5.   We work thousands of them - so what is the 
point if the zone is not checked.   The americans can move 
house and not change thrir callsign so who is to say the CTY 
file is correct?   If you dont loose points, it doesn't 
matter.....   no?

73 de Tom
GM4FDM / GM2T / GM5A

Tõnno Vähk wrote:
> Hi Tom Quijote de la Mancha:)) I sympathize with your fight against windmills and of course it is important to make sure computers won't be competing for us in this game. But every contest has its rules and when the exchange is easily guessable it would be stupid not to have the computer refill the field, the same was as it would be stupid not to use voice keyer for serious SO operation. One could claim it is not fair and ethical as well:)
> 
> Trust me that staying up 48 hours straight fully concentrated and making 6k QSOs is not drinking beer in the pub even if you manage to save a few keystrokes with automatic exchange guessing. It makes you ask if the headache, hallucianations and loss of voice is really worth it. Try it once and you will see how important ergonimics and efficiency of operating gets. 
> 
> Of course one has to make sure the exhanges are right. What happened here was a unexpected program flaw and due to having no time to reconfigure the program/change version the mistakes were inevitable as whenever you started coping/entering the callsign not from the very first letter it entered and fixed wrong exchange. It means you got the info right and naturally it is impossible for someone not completely ignorant about those things think that GM is in zone 27 but that is what the program logged if I got 4FDM first and then added GM to it later.
> 
> I don't think correcting known program mistakes afterwards is massaging. The same way we enter notes to program during contest for mistakes we notice immidiately for later correction.
> 
> 73
> es5tv
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: support-bounces at win-test.com [mailto:support-bounces at win-test.com] On Behalf Of Tom Wylie
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 12:17 PM
> To: support at win-test.com
> Subject: Re: [WT-support] Problem with zone guessing in 3.16
> 
> Isn't massaging the logs after the contest against the 
> spirit of the Contest?   Why can't we go back to the good 
> old day where you had to manually insert the exchange and 
> not "guess" it.    Isnt accuracy the real teast instead of 
> the guy who talks fastest, but gets the information wrong?
> 
> I mean,  we have automated our stations
> we are automating our logging programmes,  why not just 
> automate the operator and be done with it, then we can all 
> go out for a meal and a beer and come home and see who whose 
> computer won?
> 
> 
> Tom
> GM4FDM
> 
> 
> 
> Bob Wilson, N6TV wrote:
>> On 10/31/07, *Tõnno Vähk* <Tonno.Vahk at gildbankers.com 
>> <mailto:Tonno.Vahk at gildbankers.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     I was also asking if anyone knows a good way to update the zones in
>>     log according to the MOD.DTA without having manually change them all.
>>
>> One way to do it would be with a separate QSLing / DXing program like 
>> DX4WIN or DXBase.  I don't know much about these, but I believe they can 
>> import ADIF files, and calculate the CQ zone, and then output ADIF files 
>> with the zone.  Then you need a program like LogCONV by KA5WSS that will 
>> convert ADIF to Cabrillo.  Then you can import the Cabrillo file back 
>> into Win-Test to get your score.
>>
>> I doubt you will think this is a "good" way, but it is one way to do it.
>>
>> 73,
>> Bob, N6TV
>>
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