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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Our multiop uses 10, K3’s and only one has the DVK built in. All the VHF contests use mixed mode.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>As far as Windoze 7, I’m using the built in sound on ASUS motherboards and haven’t seen any major issues although the entire sound card setup and interface changed dramatically between XP and 7 so it doesn’t surprise me there are issues. We still use XP at our contest station since we only have P4 proc’s.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Terry<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> support-bounces@f5mzn.org [mailto:support-bounces@f5mzn.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bob Wilson, N6TV<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 15, 2013 1:46 PM<br><b>To:</b> Win-Test Reflector<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [WT-support] Work around for bug in Win-test<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Terry,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks for providing the additional details. Using OPON and recording one set of messages per operator should work well.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Windows 7 sound cards are usually unusable because of unacceptable latency introduced into the mic. monitor circuit due to digitization delays. So if you're on a Windows 7 machine and you can plug a mic. <i>and</i> headphones into the same sound card and listen to your own mic. audio without any audio delays at all, I would like to know exactly what type of sound card and what Windows device settings you are using, because I have never seen a Windows 7 system where that worked (Windows XP is not a problem).<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>If you install a KDVR3 voice keyer module into the K3s, you can use <a href="http://bit.ly/wtscripts">my K3 scripts</a> (K3scripts.zip) to run that DVK from Win-test, bypassing the Windows sound cards completely. But you can only record two banks of voice messages, so recording one CQ per operator would be somewhat less practical.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The problem you describe is rarely reported because there are only a few mixed mode contests where the multioperator cateogry is popular (IARU, ARRL 10, what else?)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>73,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Bob, N6TV<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Terry <<a href="mailto:w8zn54@verizon.net" target="_blank">w8zn54@verizon.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Pretty basic setup.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Win7 or XP same issue.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Many different sound cards.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Boom mic into mic input on sound card.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Output from sound card to line input on K3’s.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Using sound card for DVK.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Switching modes either via radio or via software, same issue. Don’t use spots, just type SSB or CW or mode up/dn on the K3</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>CW generated via Win-test via RTS and DTR through DB9 on K3’s which works VERY well.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Of course plugging the mic into the radio after the CQ is recorded is a possible work around. We would just need to have all the ops record a CQ after issuing an OPON command.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I find it weird that no one else has ever seen this, easily reproducible and has been the same for many versions since I first started using Win-test right after the switch from version 3 to 4. Not a complaint, just an anomaly. Compared to other programs, MINOR!!!</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Terry </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:support-bounces@f5mzn.org" target="_blank">support-bounces@f5mzn.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:support-bounces@f5mzn.org" target="_blank">support-bounces@f5mzn.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bob Wilson, N6TV<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 15, 2013 12:54 PM<br><b>To:</b> Win-Test Reflector<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [WT-support] Work around for bug in Win-test</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>There are several possible workarounds, depending on your radio, DVK method, keyer method, and Windows operating system. Please provide details of how you are using Win-Test for voice keying and CW generation. I assume you are plugging your mic. into the sound card and using Windows XP. Once you record your messages, you can plug your mic. directly into the radio.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Also, how are you switching modes? Are you clicking on spots, using buttons on the radio, pressing Ctrl+F1, typing "SSB [Enter]" in the logging window?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>A step-by-step procedure would be helpful to understand the issues.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>73,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Bob, N6TV<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 9:13 AM, Terry <<a href="mailto:w8zn54@verizon.net" target="_blank">w8zn54@verizon.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>For some time there has been an anomaly in Win-test that is more an annoyance than a major problem. When you change from SSB to CW and then back, you must hit F1 to call an automated CQ before the live mic works. It also manifests itself when going to cw and you try to use Alt-K, nothing happens when you type. If you hit F1 to call an automated CQ on cw then hit ESC right away, ALT-K works fine then. Does anyone know a work around for this? This is the only issue we’ve had with Win-test in the last several years, the program has become a VERY stable product, THANKS LAURENT!!!!!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Terry Price – W8ZN<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Support mailing list<br><a href="mailto:support@win-test.com" target="_blank">support@win-test.com</a><br><a href="http://lists.f5mzn.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support" target="_blank">http://lists.f5mzn.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Support mailing list<br><a href="mailto:support@win-test.com">support@win-test.com</a><br><a href="http://lists.f5mzn.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support" target="_blank">http://lists.f5mzn.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>